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	<title>Comments on: Our Stories&#8230;There Are So Many</title>
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		<title>By: Sybil</title>
		<link>http://beautyandthebreast.org/2007/11/11/our-stories-there-are-so-many/136#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>Sybil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The settlement with the Department of Health and Human Services was a negotiation and I believe that the only documents that exist are those that outline how the money is to be paid and an affirmative statement that the government would no longer go after women for reimbursement.  The idea, of course, was to repay the Federal government for the monies they spent on breast implanted women who were ailing and needed public support.  And I am still in shock over the fact that the very same agency sanctioned the approval of implants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The settlement with the Department of Health and Human Services was a negotiation and I believe that the only documents that exist are those that outline how the money is to be paid and an affirmative statement that the government would no longer go after women for reimbursement.  The idea, of course, was to repay the Federal government for the monies they spent on breast implanted women who were ailing and needed public support.  And I am still in shock over the fact that the very same agency sanctioned the approval of implants.</p>
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		<title>By: jeena</title>
		<link>http://beautyandthebreast.org/2007/11/11/our-stories-there-are-so-many/136#comment-380</link>
		<dc:creator>jeena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So they DID pay the Federal Government reimbursement for the medical costs they were payingn out? I knew they filed claims, but never heard if they received any reimbursement!  Is there a way to get hold of the facts and figures they submitted in their claims?  Or is this a sealed up record as well?

Oh, i have some words...but I couldn't say them around the clergy....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So they DID pay the Federal Government reimbursement for the medical costs they were payingn out? I knew they filed claims, but never heard if they received any reimbursement!  Is there a way to get hold of the facts and figures they submitted in their claims?  Or is this a sealed up record as well?</p>
<p>Oh, i have some words&#8230;but I couldn&#8217;t say them around the clergy&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sybil</title>
		<link>http://beautyandthebreast.org/2007/11/11/our-stories-there-are-so-many/136#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator>Sybil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were two settlements with the Department of Health and Human Services.  Once was in the Dow Corning bankruptcy and the other was in MDL 926.  The essence of both is that all claims of the Federal Government (eg Medicare) for reimbursement of medical costs from the women's breast implant settlement checks were released.
 
It is ironic that at the very time that the settlement with Health and Human Services was made, the FDA, a section of the Department of Health and Human Services, was poised to approve implants.  That means that the government was being paid for problems with a product that they would later approve anyway.
 
There are no words.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were two settlements with the Department of Health and Human Services.  Once was in the Dow Corning bankruptcy and the other was in MDL 926.  The essence of both is that all claims of the Federal Government (eg Medicare) for reimbursement of medical costs from the women&#8217;s breast implant settlement checks were released.</p>
<p>It is ironic that at the very time that the settlement with Health and Human Services was made, the FDA, a section of the Department of Health and Human Services, was poised to approve implants.  That means that the government was being paid for problems with a product that they would later approve anyway.</p>
<p>There are no words&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: jeena</title>
		<link>http://beautyandthebreast.org/2007/11/11/our-stories-there-are-so-many/136#comment-374</link>
		<dc:creator>jeena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://beautyandthebreast.org/2007/11/11/our-stories-there-are-so-many/136#comment-374</guid>
		<description>That's our suspicion, too, Pam. This is why I would love to see the topic discussed in the media, because it would be one of the best and yet subtle ways, to illustrate the real numbers and cost of implants to women, as well as their families, and society.  

So far, being straight forward and frank about the fallacy that women rarely have implant complications has not been believed.  Thanks for sharing this about the exclusion clause.  I am quite certain this reduced the cost of your premiums, but I wonder if they even insure implant and implanted related problems at all now.  Do you happen to know?  Most of our women are reporting great difficulty in getting any type coverage on their breasts unless they can prove cancer, without or without an exclusion clause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s our suspicion, too, Pam. This is why I would love to see the topic discussed in the media, because it would be one of the best and yet subtle ways, to illustrate the real numbers and cost of implants to women, as well as their families, and society.  </p>
<p>So far, being straight forward and frank about the fallacy that women rarely have implant complications has not been believed.  Thanks for sharing this about the exclusion clause.  I am quite certain this reduced the cost of your premiums, but I wonder if they even insure implant and implanted related problems at all now.  Do you happen to know?  Most of our women are reporting great difficulty in getting any type coverage on their breasts unless they can prove cancer, without or without an exclusion clause.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
		<link>http://beautyandthebreast.org/2007/11/11/our-stories-there-are-so-many/136#comment-368</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://beautyandthebreast.org/2007/11/11/our-stories-there-are-so-many/136#comment-368</guid>
		<description>As to an insurance for breast implants...  My guess is that the premium would be so extremely HIGH that the women would not even consider buying it to go along with thier implants. Years ago when I applied for a private health insurance policy they added an exclusion that I would not be covered for any problems or illness related to my silicone recostructive surgery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to an insurance for breast implants&#8230;  My guess is that the premium would be so extremely HIGH that the women would not even consider buying it to go along with thier implants. Years ago when I applied for a private health insurance policy they added an exclusion that I would not be covered for any problems or illness related to my silicone recostructive surgery.</p>
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		<title>By: jeena</title>
		<link>http://beautyandthebreast.org/2007/11/11/our-stories-there-are-so-many/136#comment-356</link>
		<dc:creator>jeena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to see someone interview reperesentatives of the major insurance companies who insured augmentation surgery and related problems in the past.  Surely they have records. 

One of two things could happen is someone actually took the challenge to crunch the numbers:  1. They would have a kick-off point to see the cost of implants and stats or 2. They would find out insurance policies are a possible financial solution for those who have problematic implants.  If the answer would be 2. then it means someone could make money on insuring implants.  It would be a win/win situation.  Of course, that's a huge IF.  Unfortunately, our suspicions are probably correct.

Also, since you have been an activist in this area, do you have any specific facts and figures on the suit the gov't filed against the manufacturers to recover the money paid out for women with implant related problems?  I once heard that the gov't filed a claim, too.  Did anything ever happen with their attempt to seek compensation to the system for breast implant related claims? Was this ever a discussion factor when the FDA was considering silicone implant approval?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see someone interview reperesentatives of the major insurance companies who insured augmentation surgery and related problems in the past.  Surely they have records. </p>
<p>One of two things could happen is someone actually took the challenge to crunch the numbers:  1. They would have a kick-off point to see the cost of implants and stats or 2. They would find out insurance policies are a possible financial solution for those who have problematic implants.  If the answer would be 2. then it means someone could make money on insuring implants.  It would be a win/win situation.  Of course, that&#8217;s a huge IF.  Unfortunately, our suspicions are probably correct.</p>
<p>Also, since you have been an activist in this area, do you have any specific facts and figures on the suit the gov&#8217;t filed against the manufacturers to recover the money paid out for women with implant related problems?  I once heard that the gov&#8217;t filed a claim, too.  Did anything ever happen with their attempt to seek compensation to the system for breast implant related claims? Was this ever a discussion factor when the FDA was considering silicone implant approval?</p>
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		<title>By: Sybil</title>
		<link>http://beautyandthebreast.org/2007/11/11/our-stories-there-are-so-many/136#comment-355</link>
		<dc:creator>Sybil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, now that I think of it, I haven't thought seriously about the insurance for a long time.  And you've reminded me that I should, again.

Would't it be wonderful if there was an activist actuary (say that 10 times really fast) who would crunch the numbers on the cost of carrying insurance for breast implanted women - and just cover the implant surgery and re-surgery and re-surgery?

Hello, out there!  Anybody interested?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, now that I think of it, I haven&#8217;t thought seriously about the insurance for a long time.  And you&#8217;ve reminded me that I should, again.</p>
<p>Would&#8217;t it be wonderful if there was an activist actuary (say that 10 times really fast) who would crunch the numbers on the cost of carrying insurance for breast implanted women - and just cover the implant surgery and re-surgery and re-surgery?</p>
<p>Hello, out there!  Anybody interested?</p>
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		<title>By: jeena</title>
		<link>http://beautyandthebreast.org/2007/11/11/our-stories-there-are-so-many/136#comment-354</link>
		<dc:creator>jeena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Sybil! I have been an admirer of yours for a long time.  :)  

You are so right about the prohibitive cost of a surcharge or even an insurance policy--because we KNOW how prohibitive the cost would have to be!  So do they, which is why it was swept under the rug! Still, if we keep putting pressure on the powers that be on forcing this issue, someone would do the math at some point, and expose the real point of our suggestions.  They are NOT safe, complications are NOT rare, and they are costing everyone a lot of $$$.  They cannot answer these questions, nor can they allow meaningful discussion on this insurance or surcharge topic.  It exposes the truth.

One pro-implant person once attempted to address this question.  She made the excuse that no one would insure them, nor should they, because this is an elective procedure.  What kind of answer is that???  It's a non-answer.  That's the point--this is an unnecessary, elective procedure that is effecting our economy or our country, and our personal lives.  So those who elect to have them, should try to take the burden from others in some way.  No longer is augmentation an election for the rich only, so the majority of women who will ultimately be economically costly, will be women who are incapable of footing the bills.

When the manufacturers put a warranty on implants, the pro-implant forums were applauding this product warranty.  Some warranty. They will replace your defective implant with another implant exactly like the one that failed.  And YOU have to pay for the replacement surgery!  

You were brilliant to bring up the idea of a surcharge--did anyone ever do the math on your idea?  Comment at all?  Discuss your idea?  If they had seriously done that, it seems the REAL math would have come to light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Sybil! I have been an admirer of yours for a long time.  <img src='http://beautyandthebreast.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>You are so right about the prohibitive cost of a surcharge or even an insurance policy&#8211;because we KNOW how prohibitive the cost would have to be!  So do they, which is why it was swept under the rug! Still, if we keep putting pressure on the powers that be on forcing this issue, someone would do the math at some point, and expose the real point of our suggestions.  They are NOT safe, complications are NOT rare, and they are costing everyone a lot of $$$.  They cannot answer these questions, nor can they allow meaningful discussion on this insurance or surcharge topic.  It exposes the truth.</p>
<p>One pro-implant person once attempted to address this question.  She made the excuse that no one would insure them, nor should they, because this is an elective procedure.  What kind of answer is that???  It&#8217;s a non-answer.  That&#8217;s the point&#8211;this is an unnecessary, elective procedure that is effecting our economy or our country, and our personal lives.  So those who elect to have them, should try to take the burden from others in some way.  No longer is augmentation an election for the rich only, so the majority of women who will ultimately be economically costly, will be women who are incapable of footing the bills.</p>
<p>When the manufacturers put a warranty on implants, the pro-implant forums were applauding this product warranty.  Some warranty. They will replace your defective implant with another implant exactly like the one that failed.  And YOU have to pay for the replacement surgery!  </p>
<p>You were brilliant to bring up the idea of a surcharge&#8211;did anyone ever do the math on your idea?  Comment at all?  Discuss your idea?  If they had seriously done that, it seems the REAL math would have come to light.</p>
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		<title>By: Sybil</title>
		<link>http://beautyandthebreast.org/2007/11/11/our-stories-there-are-so-many/136#comment-350</link>
		<dc:creator>Sybil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome, Jeena.  Your first post with us is informative, sensitive and talks about issues that are so important.

In early 1991, in my testimony before the Food and Drug Administration, I suggested a surcharge on the cost of every implant so that insurance coverage could be purchased for each implanted patient whether cancer or augmentation.  Or a surcharge could be the basis of a well-invested fund to pay for explants.  Of course my testimony fell on deaf ears.  And any business person who was smart enough realized immediately that the actuarial charts for this project would make the surcharge so high as to be prohibitive.  Still, it is all that breast implanted women would have.

Along with the economic costs of breast implants, there are physical costs that are never talked about.

If implants are removed it is impossible to remove them without taking some breast tissue along with them leaving the woman who sought implant so that she could have larger breasts, smaller breasts than she started with.  And they will have scars on them, as well.

Breast implants have a permanence in the life of a woman who has chosen them. You are right - the cost both financial and physical is enormous.  

And we who understand this from personal experience must make sure that women making a decision about getting implants realizes that they are going down a one-way street and that street is a dead end.

I look forward to hearing from you again, Jeena.  Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome, Jeena.  Your first post with us is informative, sensitive and talks about issues that are so important.</p>
<p>In early 1991, in my testimony before the Food and Drug Administration, I suggested a surcharge on the cost of every implant so that insurance coverage could be purchased for each implanted patient whether cancer or augmentation.  Or a surcharge could be the basis of a well-invested fund to pay for explants.  Of course my testimony fell on deaf ears.  And any business person who was smart enough realized immediately that the actuarial charts for this project would make the surcharge so high as to be prohibitive.  Still, it is all that breast implanted women would have.</p>
<p>Along with the economic costs of breast implants, there are physical costs that are never talked about.</p>
<p>If implants are removed it is impossible to remove them without taking some breast tissue along with them leaving the woman who sought implant so that she could have larger breasts, smaller breasts than she started with.  And they will have scars on them, as well.</p>
<p>Breast implants have a permanence in the life of a woman who has chosen them. You are right - the cost both financial and physical is enormous.  </p>
<p>And we who understand this from personal experience must make sure that women making a decision about getting implants realizes that they are going down a one-way street and that street is a dead end.</p>
<p>I look forward to hearing from you again, Jeena.  Keep up the good work!</p>
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